April 15, 2008 12:50 PM PDT

Defiant Psystar back selling Leopard computers

Psystar is back online selling "white box" Macs with a few subtle changes, and one employee has already played the monopoly card.

As you might recall, Psystar's Web site was overwhelmed Monday after it was found to be selling cheap computers with Mac OS X Leopard preinstalled. This caused quite the commotion, as Apple does not license its operating system to other hardware makers, and specifically prohibits (PDF) end users from installing Mac OS X on anything other than an "Apple labeled" computer.

Psystar's OpenPro Computer, which is available with Mac OS X Leopard preinstalled.

(Credit: Psystar)

Ars Technica noted that Psystar made several changes to its Web site while it was down Monday. First of all, the product is no longer the OpenMac, it's the Open Computer. Psystar's owner, Rudy Pedraza, told Ars that Psystar did that on their own to "avoid any issues." Wonder what those might be.

The company is also now offering the "OpenPro Computer" in addition to the Open Computer, which might remind you of a certain desktop computer sold by a certain California company that uses a piece of fruit as a logo. That machine costs $999, can be upgraded to quad-core processors, and is available with Leopard preinstalled.

And, in perhaps the most necessary change, they changed the nails-on-a-chalkboard "not non-safe" phrase attached to the description of whether or not you should install Mac OS X updates to your Open Computer. Grammarians, rejoice.

None of those changes will allow Psystar to escape the basic question about its business model: Apple doesn't permit the installation of its operating system on anything but its hardware. One Psystar employee told Information Week that this requirement means Apple is behaving like a monopoly. "What if Microsoft said you could only install Windows on Dell computers?" the employee told IW.

Psystar is positioning itself as the "open" computer company. The Open Computer uses techniques--hacks, really--developed by the OSx86 project to free Leopard from the confines placed on it by Apple.

"Psystar has assembled a system that is completely operational with Leopard called the Open Computer. We call it the Open Computer to reflect the opening of what has previously been a hardware monopoly," the company wrote on a Web page describing the Open Computer.

Since they brought it up, let's review the basic definition of a monopoly, shall we? And remember, there's nothing illegal about having a monopoly, it's only when you use that monopoly for nefarious purposes that you get pinched.

The business section of Answers.com says, "A monopoly is a market condition in which a single seller controls the entire output of a particular good or service. A firm is a monopoly if it is the sole seller of its product and if its product has no close substitutes. Close substitutes are those goods that could closely take the place of a particular good; for example, a Pepsi soft drink would be a close substitute for a Coke drink, but a juice drink would not."

Debate the aesthetics all you want, but I'd argue that Windows and Linux are, for the purposes of personal computing, close substitutes to Mac OS X. They can run a personal computer. They can connect you to the Internet. They can run a basic suite of productivity applications.

You may prefer Mac OS X for a variety of reasons, but Apple's requirement that you can only run Mac OS X on Apple hardware doesn't prevent you from using a personal computer. If the only other substitutes were Palm OS phones or AIX servers, maybe you would have a beef.

Answers.com goes further to say: "The fundamental cause of monopoly is barriers to entry; these are technological or economic conditions of a market that raise the cost for firms wanting to enter the market above the cost for firms already in the market or otherwise make new entry difficult."

This is not the only computer in the universe.

(Credit: Apple)

If Mac OS X was the only operating system in the entire universe, and Apple required you to use its hardware, lawyers would have a field day. That's because the barriers to entry into the personal computing business would be impossible to overcome, since a license for Mac OS X is not for sale.

The meat of Psystar's sales pitch is that they can sell you a Mac for cheaper than Apple. So let's consider the third element of a monopoly: the ability to set prices.

Again from Answers.com: "The major difference between a monopoly and a competitive firm is the monopoly's ability to influence the price of its output. Because a competitive firm is small relative to the market, the price of its product is determined by market conditions.

There's a long-standing argument about whether or not Macs are more expensive pound-for-pound with Windows PCs. But however you slice it, Apple doesn't have the ability to force people to pay astronomical prices for the Mac; if Macs cost four times as much as similarly configured Windows PCs, no one would buy them.

Companies are free to charge somewhat more for a similar product if they can prove to people that there is a value attached to that price. If they can't demonstrate that value, people won't buy the product. No one cares that Porsche charges more for the Cayenne than Volkswagen does for the Touareg, and those are practically the same car. That's because Porsche demonstrates more value with a better interior, cushier options, and the cachet associated with driving a Porsche.

The Psystar employee, identified only as "Robert," said the company had no plans to stop selling Open Computers with Leopard preinstalled, and hinted Psystar would be willing to fight Apple. However, Pedraza, who is likely in more of a position to decide those things than Robert, declined to comment to Ars on Psystar's next steps. Apple likewise declined to comment on Psystar or any possible action it might be considering.

I think they're tilting at windmills, but I'd be very interested to see if Psystar has the wherewithal (and the cash) needed to finance a legal test of Apple's end-user license agreement for Leopard. Courts have ruled on specific provisions within EULAs, but it doesn't appear that the general concept has really been tested under U.S. law. Maybe it's time.

But until that day, companies are not required to sell products simply because somebody wants that product.

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monopoly definition?
by christovich79 April 15, 2008 1:37 PM PDT
Your article uses a very generic, unsophisticated definition of monopoly. Try using the definition hauled out over Microsoft by the DOJ, and then we'll have something closer to reality that we can talk about.

Intellectual property is definitely something worth protecting, but does how many people actually think Macs are comparably priced for the hardware?
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Commercially viable
by azaltsman April 15, 2008 1:39 PM PDT
Clever, but the commercial viability of an "Apple clone" without the approval or support of Apple is nil. This product will interest the geek squad but mainstream consumers, the ones who pay the Apple premium and the source of hardware profits, aren't going to go out on a limb and pay for a semi-pirated product. And those that do and think they can save a few bucks over an Apple product will eventually realize that they wasted their money on unsupported software.

One of the reasons why Macs are so stable is because the OS is tailored to the hardware. One could argue that Linux is stable and is not tied to any hardware. However, the reality is that OSX is exponentially more refined for the mainstream consumer, and the fact is that the mainstream consumer is where profits are generated.

However, this is sure to make an interesting battle on philosophical and legal levels. And its fantastic PR for Psystar so kudos to them for getting noticed! May the games begin!
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Check your facts!
by gpgorbosjr April 15, 2008 1:42 PM PDT
"And remember, there's nothing illegal about having a monopoly, it's only when you use that monopoly for nefarious purposes that you get pinched."

US Code: Title 15,2
"Every person who shall monopolize, or attempt to monopolize, or combine or conspire with any other person or persons, to monopolize any part of the trade or commerce among the several States, or with foreign nations, shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, on conviction thereof, shall be punished by fine not exceeding $100,000,000 if a corporation, or, if any other person, $1,000,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding 10 years, or by both said punishments, in the discretion of the court."

AT&T for example was allowed to monopolize because they argued one telephone system would be better (also how some utility companies monopolize by area.)

However, monopolies in themselves are pretty much illegal. Even if they were legal, no monopoly would last long under your "nefarious" rule because controlling a market is nefarious in itself.

This is why Pepsi and Coke would never throw a knock out punch to each other. They have a perfect situation where they are both making money and use each other as protection against a monopoly.

It also pains me to read an article that constantly uses answers.com as a source.

As for whether or not Mac is monopolizing, I don't think so, and I'm very much anti-mac. But you are a bit mistaken on the law. There are government-granted monopolies, and government monopolies which are legal. However, if a company takes control of a market without the governments ok, its illegal.
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leopard computers
by geezzerr11 April 15, 2008 1:52 PM PDT
sounds like you're with Apple on this one.I always though America was the land of entrepreneurs and competition. From the approach of Apple looks like the J.D. Rockefeller robber baron mindset is more the reality. Seems to me he got busted in the end. Funny that Apple doesn't have the major share of the personal computer market. I wonder why that is ? Could it be that the market doesn't think the extra $$ buy any extra value?

I hope Leopard has the cojones and money to give Apple a run for its money!
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Expect Psystar to back away quickly...
by gary85739 April 15, 2008 2:04 PM PDT
Once the big dogs lawyers take them to the cleaners...

It WILL happen, whether "we" like it or not!
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Apple is a hardware company selling software that runs on it
by mpitogo April 15, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
You folks are forgetting that Apple is a hardware company selling
an integrated product, in this case a computer or a phone with
their own software that runs it. We are granted a license to run and
purchase and/or download upgrades to the software running on
our hardware. You can buy any computer you want. But if you
want a computer that runs Mac OS X you have to purchase an
integrated Apple solution.
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Psystar will lose
by phuocle April 15, 2008 2:17 PM PDT
While EULAs in general have not been challenged in court (only specific parts), Apple will prevail, even if I don't like it.

The reason is that people here are using the wrong analogy. It's not a Honda engine that must be used in a Honda-badged car... it's intellectual property.

The better way to think about it and why Apple will prevail in a lawsuit is this: A photographer can sell rights (read Licenses) of his copyrighted photos (read Software) to any number of parties that he wishes. He can also specify exactly what those rights allow in terms of time frame, type of media, location, etc. For example:

In return for $xxx and other valuable considerations, I grant you the right to use xxx photograph for a 1/8 page ad, no larger than 8 inch x 10 inch, in the New York Times for the weekend of xxxxx.

In the example above you have a very specific time frame, publication (or location), and even size. Provisions such as this in licensing intellectual property have been upheld in court. Also, think about a software site license restricting use of said software to a particular address. Those have been upheld as well.

It's only natural to be able to dictate platform as well. I predict a win for Apple although I'm against it in principle.
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Counterfeits
by solitare_pax April 15, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
The more this drags on the more this reminds me of the "Counterfeit Mini-Cooper" DVD that was out a while ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEVMGgUvpSY

Now, will someone answer me this: why doesn't someone just create some software to run the Mac OS on a PC, the same way that Mac OS can run Windows on a Mac box (and by most reports, Macs run Vista faster than a native PC box - go figure.)

Seems like an easier solution than building the box and saying it will run Mac OS until the next upgrade.
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It's going to be like the automotive world
by TrevorPlantagenet April 15, 2008 2:42 PM PDT
This issue was dealt with by the courts in the automotive world, where car makers now cannot prevent you from using different aftermarket parts or repair centers. They do have some grounds to cancel your warranty, but even this is pretty heavily curtailed. That provision of the EULA is legally very very week and if Apple forces the issue, they might get it struck down, which would hurt their iPhone business even more than it hurts their Mac business.
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They must be squashed
by AppleRocks1963 April 15, 2008 2:44 PM PDT
like a bug. They probably being fronted by Microsoft anyway.
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Such a shame...
by Jon N. April 15, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
I like the Mac's OS X. It's clean, professional, and looks really nice. It's such a shame that Apple doesn't make it for universal distribution on all boxes, and with it a disclamor, "This OS works best with Apple Certified products. If this operating system is used on any other system than Original Apple, Inc. hardware, then Apple, Inc. is not responsible for loss of data, or any hardware or software malfunction, or possible conflicts that would prevent the end user an overall positive and enjoyable computing experience." M$ does it, Why can't they do it? Just notice that M$ requires you to pay $159.95 for the "privilege" of a licensed copy to use their system. You don't own it, can't change it, and if you do, you can be sued by them, but if you loose your data, you can't sue them. E.U.L.A.'s. Read the fine print. It doesn't sound like a fair deal to me. Until I can either afford an Apple, or Apple makes OS X for the rest of us, I'll stick with Linux.
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Definition of a market?
by lkrupp April 15, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
You could only consider Apple a monopoly if you were to define
the Apple universe as a separate market. I don't think that
argument would fly in any court of law. Apple sells their
products in several markets (PC, mp3 player, cell phone) and
they most certainly aren't a monopoly in any of those markets.

All this chatter about EULA and Apple's "closed" system is just
wishful thinking on the part of the geek squad crowd. This
Psystar outfit will be sued out of existence and without much of
a fight either.
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Microsoft Equally "Guilty"?
by open-mind April 15, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
Doesn't Microsoft lock Windows down in the same way?

An OEM copy of Windows is locked to not just one vendor's PC, it's locked to a single piece of PC hardware.

Likewise, Microsoft has limited certain versions of Windows to not be run on a virtual PC.

Seems Microsoft and Apple are doing the same thing. So how can one be guilty and the other innocent?
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Reason apple only has 8% market
by compudoc318 April 15, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
Apple needs to wake up and let other companies make systems with os/x. Consumers want choices, and Apple doesnt offer any. I also think that the competition for windows machines only drives their prices down even further. This is why, you show me a mac, and ill show you a pc for less.
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I have place order for one Open Comp!
by Dalmatian28 April 15, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
I placed order in 3 am this morning! I have ordered Core Two Duo 2,66 and the rest is standard. I can't wait to see it! I was waiting for this long long long time! I always know that Apple hardware was reap-off, now I have someone that agrees with me! The Psystar is selling hardware for $800.00 that is almost as good as Apples that costs 2,000 to 5,000 $. If I ever paid this ridicules prices for their hardware I would probable go to Golden Gate Bridge and jump. It is so funny how this clearly exposes how much money Apple was taking from its own followers/customers! He was charging them three to four times the production cost! I would stop talking to my own parents if they wore to try to take advantage of me like that! Heartless! Finely Freeedom!
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Bravo Psystar!
by bezaad April 15, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
I detest Apple no matter how much they make their products nice and shiny. I hope Psystar wins the battle against the greedy rip off Apple Corp.
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software bundling
by khbkhb99 April 15, 2008 4:14 PM PDT
Isn't this really long established? <http://csdl2.computer.org/persagen/DLAbsToc.jsp?resourcePath=/dl/mags/an/&toc=comp/mags/an/2002/01/a1toc.xml&DOI=10.1109/85.988580> vintage 1952 IBM anti-trust (creating the plug compatible mainframe market).
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Apple is right
by bmrowe23 April 15, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
Apple has interesting engineering and unmatched design. That said, I'm not thrilled with Apple's integration with other technologies or some of their products. iTunes is basically corporate spyware and QuickTime is a security cesspool. But, stealing someone else's work in the belief that it is your right is wishful thinking. Apple is what it is. Besides a couple Win and Linux PCs, our household has 2 Macs and 5 iPods. I'm inclined to keep buying their stuff.

If you feel you must steal from Apple for the common good, consider the dull products you would be left with without Apple. Better yet, try to do better than Apple in your own garage. Its not easy is it? While Apple itself has a bit more pride than they deserve, they have earned market differentiation. Pay up and shut up.
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Apple should sell OS X / Intel for $699
by zmonster April 15, 2008 4:22 PM PDT
Apple could play this both ways, and sell valid licenses for OSX
on any Intel box for $699 (for example) and make a heap load of
(more) money. For that matter, they could take the OpenStep
route and port OSX to Sparc and other RISC chips. People will
still end up buying Macs because Apple will probably continue to
innovate on the hardware side and make great products.

I don't think Apple can lose in this battle no matter how you
look at it.
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Hope They Sell A Few
by open-mind April 15, 2008 4:23 PM PDT
Not because they're tremendously cheaper (they're not). But rather because they are filling the huge gaping hole that Apple has chosen to leave in their product line: an entry level tower.

The comparisons between Apple and Psystar hardware are silly, since Apple's current-low end tower is an 8 core Xeon, and the Psystar is not a Mac Mini or iMac replacement.
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